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Friendfeed versus Techmeme: can't they just get along?

In an interesting piece, Alexander van Elsas muses that Friendfeed likely “will compete with services like TechMeme for the most important aggregation source of tech news.”

Techmeme aggregates breaking tech and Internet news stories through an algorithm that tracks stories by influence and links. It then ranks these stories by timeliness and importance and updates its single page site in real time. Techmeme does a great job of doing this, which is why I think of it as my “morning newspaper” when it comes to tech and online stories. And even better, it collects all of the conversations taking place around the top stories via story clusters. This method of “meme tracking” has been copied by many other online publications as a way to present the news and related stories.

Friendfeed, on the other hand, allows people to automatically share things that they’re publishing and sharing using other services. For example, you can have Friendfeed track your Twitter posts, your blog entries (Friendfeed will publish a link, so people have to click through to get the full text), what you’re sharing on Google Reader, stories you’re digging on Digg, pictures that you’ve uploaded to Flickr, and a bunch of other things. As a Friendfeed member, you then subscribe to other Friendfeed accounts and receive a (usually huge) stream of information coming from each person. Finally, Friendfeed lets you comment on everything as well as letting you vote on things that you “like.”

So I can understand where van Elsas is coming from: Friendfeed and Techmeme are both aggregators that tend to have a concentration on tech and webby stories.

However, I find them to be somewhat complimentary services. Stories that appear on Techmeme are likely to be talked about on blogs, Twitter posts, and other places (like Digg and Reddit) which Friendfeed will scoop up and distribute. Techmeme, while being wonderfully dynamic, is “read only” from the user perspective: you can’t comment on stories or do anything except click links and read.

Friendfeed, on the other hand, does not have Techmeme’s ability to give its audience an easy sense of what’s important, what’s breaking news, and what the surrounding voices of import in the industry are saying about all of it.

Therefore, perhaps we can say that Techmeme aggregates what’s important about tech and Internet news and easily provides links to surrounding conversations. It’s really a new kind of online newspaper, and a pretty terrific one. And Friendfeed is an aggregator of lots of stuff, of what people are reading and writing and sharing and looking at and listening to. It’s a “life aggregator” of sorts.

I don’t see Techmeme and Friendfeed as direct competitors. In fact, I see room for lots of aggregation services that find valuable and differentiated ways to provide information and help people to connect.

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April 30th, 2008

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Eric Berlin

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  • To me the interesting question is why people make the comparison at all. I think it's because there will always be people to sit and sift through services like Twitter and FriendFeed all day, who love the "noise" and aren't easily overwhelmed. To them, Twitter/FF reports news "before" Techmeme, so they're "better". A similar argument can be made for using Google Reader with 500 subscriptions.

    Obviously most people don't collect news that way most of the time. In fact, even the ones who do generally still use Techmeme anyway.
  • Gabe, part of impetus for writing this piece was because I too was surprised that they were being compared and therefore felt motivated to look at the two side-by-side.

    I enjoy twitter / FF because they're social / interactive experiences that also provide "deep" links from trusted folk, stuff that *might* be hot news that is ahead of Techmeme but is just as likely to be stories that Techmeme is not apt to cover for whatever reason.
  • agree - don't see them as competitors at all....
    you're right, Louis: TechMeme updates on
    FriendFeed would be very cool

    bring it on, Gabe!

    g
  • FriendFeed and Techmeme are not competitors. In fact, TechMeme (as a bot) would be a great user on FriendFeed, offering updates throughout the day. While both sites could be a go-to for users to catch up on great information from many blogs at once, their goals are much different.
  • Louis, I set up a Techmeme bot in fact before turning off its updates. The old updates are here: http://friendfeed.com/techmeme

    I turned off updates because the results would overwhelm the FriendFeed search results for "Techmeme". Yes, I'm aware that's a bit selfish of me!

    FriendFeed still doesn't offer a way to search "everyone" while excluding certain users, to my knowledge. If they ever do, I'll turn updates back on, since I'll then be able to search for "Techmeme" without results from the Techmeme account appearing.
  • Louis and Franklin - It would be pretty amazing to have a Techmeme-style site focused on the entire Friendfeed ecosystem. Would be pretty strange and amazing to see what would come out of that -- particularly if it ended up including a lot of stuff that wasn't tech: a good smattering of images and amazon recommendations and Last.fm music, that kind of thing.
  • Eric, the concept of a more "democratic" Techmeme is a fun one, until it starts to look like everything else. For example, RSSMeme and ReadBurner are (in theory) democratic ways to analyze shared items people find interesting, with each user being given one vote. But what happens, instead of finding new sources for information (Tech or otherwise), is that those sites with the highest RSS subscribers, or those most dialed in to item sharing and link aggregation, rise to the top. ReadBurner stats (http://www.readburner.com/stats.php) show Lifehacker, TechCrunch, Boing Boing, Gizmodo and Engadget as the top 5, all without an unknown algorithm. So... to take a Techmeme approach to FriendFeed might look a lot like that.
  • Yeah, I think it would be fun if it was a service built inside of Friendfeed *and* happened to serve up non-tech stuff that you already get on any number of other services. I'm not sure that it would work, simply was musing that it would be kind of cool to see something like a shared Justin Timberlake track from Last.fm as the top story "cluster."
  • Louis, I have been using the FriendFeed Tabs greasemonkey script by FriendFeed apps. It adds a techmeme tab to the FriendFeed site. It is the best of both worlds. :)
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